Hi I'm GOD

[GOD]

Well,

I thought I'd develop this forum and site (there's plenty to be done this is just the start) so I could explore psychology more. It’s a topic I've always been interested in but I've studied courses that are better "remunerated".

Anyway, I really want to get into doing more investigative online testing to better identify people and their potential. I think there are fundamental flaws in a number of psychometric testing and I'd like to show why. Call it a hunch call it intuition but I've seen enough of it to see the holes.

So, if people have any theories I am more than interested, and the good ones can be put on a number of other websites I am building into this web ring.

Cheers
GOD. (INTJ 8w7).

[GOD]

Well,

I thought I'd develop this forum and site (there's plenty to be done this is just the start) so I could explore psychology more. It’s a topic I've always been interested in but I've studied courses that are better "remunerated".

Anyway, I really want to get into doing more investigative online testing to better identify people and their potential. I think there are fundamental flaws in a number of psychometric testing and I'd like to show why. Call it a hunch call it intuition but I've seen enough to make see it.

So, if people have any theories I am more than interested, and the good ones can be put on a number of other websites I am building into this web ring.

Cheers
GOD. (INTJ 8w7).

Well, today I did another (different) "Jung" type test that is like the MBTI and scored as an ENTP. I've always scored low on I and J... so being coined as an "inventor" could easily apply given my propensity to "innovate". However, the strategist... INTJ is also applicable.

I've always said that the best type really is an xNTx that has a superb IQ both in a mathematical sense and is very creative.

Anyway, I believe most switched on NT's can roam around the I/E and J/P space with practice and time.

Well, today I did another (different) "Jung" type test that is like the MBTI and scored as an ENTP. I've always scored low on I and J... so being coined as an "inventor" could easily apply given my propensity to "innovate". However, the strategist... INTJ is also applicable.

I've always said that the best type really is an xNTx that has a superb IQ both in a mathematical sense and is very creative.

Anyway, I believe most switched on NT's can roam around the I/E and J/P space with practice and time.

However, must admit this "second" test was poorly designed. They confused introversion/extroversion with the actual bodily functions rather than how you orientate your mind. Being highly "talkative" is not extroversion...its part of the feedback and reflection process, an external manifestation. Testing the framework as it were.

The Judging/Perceiving function is always a red herring as far as I can see it. I'm only as "Judging" as necessary, Why be tidy if it doesn't matter etc comes to mind (You can spend more time thinking if you're not wasting time trying to unwind the natural order of entropy ). I think INTJs are equally INTPs that just can/or have learned to, be more structured and efficient.

[MadmanMSU]

Personally, I find the main typings to be more useful than the others. NT, NF, SJ, and SP. Sure, the other letters play a vital role, but not nearly as integral to the personality in question. Hence, you can find a lot of slippage in the other letter categories.

Case in point, when I first took the test in...11th grade, or so, I was technically an IXTJ. Since then, I've become far more E, and fallen WAY into the NT side, much to my chagrin/delight (if you're an INTJ, you know what I mean )

[GOD]

Personally, I find the main typings to be more useful than the others. NT, NF, SJ, and SP. Sure, the other letters play a vital role, but not nearly as integral to the personality in question. Hence, you can find a lot of slippage in the other letter categories.

Case in point, when I first took the test in...11th grade, or so, I was technically an IXTJ. Since then, I've become far more E, and fallen WAY into the NT side, much to my chagrin/delight (if you're an INTJ, you know what I mean )

I have a slight problem with people that "migrate" into the NT space. Simply because the questions that are used to determine "inuitiveness" and "thinking" are quite easy to answer in the "affirmative" when the person in question might be very weak in that trait. (I don't mean weak as to the number of questions answered that support that trait I just mean as to the correctness of their attachment e.g. just because you pass a maths test does not make you gifted maths person). Someone who is NT from a very early age should be far more NT than someone that becomes NT at an older age - simply because NT appears to be a positive feedback loop T -> N -> T -> N etc. With "I" being one of the key dynamo's.

However, I have to be careful I don't use my "traits" as a measure of what is a typical INTJ, simply because I'm very very NT.

To me "intuitiveness" is very close to "innovation" and I have been working on my mind to improve my "innovative" abilities. Its quite clear that an NT can vastly improve their ability to innovate (Find solutions to problems, or develop new methods/observations) by following a more "sensor" type path but at the same time throwing vast amounts of "connective" information in small bite sized pieces into the stream of thought. Because we are always "pattern forming" our minds are constantly clumping these pieces together, and as such the additional stimulation increases the speed of innovation/observations). (In summary as an example, If you're a research scientist then you need to be reading vast amounts of "executive summaries" of other reports - Even the way scientific reports are written might need to be changed to allow better perculation of that information especially given we have improved search methods to locate informational content. ("Bite sized" pieces with better "hooks").

Lastly, it seems quite evident that an intuitive can improve their innovation by following a structured process designed to stimulate intuition.

[GOD]

Interestingly (or not so, as the case may be)

Given I am an 8w7 on the ennegram but an INTJ with beauty pagent stats of I-33 N-75 T-88 J-56

This points to something quite interesting.

Essentially under the 8w7 I should type as a ENTP, but I am always an INTJ.

Now, this actually backs up another of my theories about selective orientation. Essentially, I've always maintained that the J function and the I function in many people is a manifestation that is consciously taken on.

Lets say I like to think a lot (T).. lets say all that thinking translates into increasing N (Intuition is extrapolated T). Lets then say, I really want to think even more... less socialising, more time by myself, more reading and eventually a lot less tolerance for less thinking orientated others. OMG I'm now an introverted recluse. But lets say the logic continues and I realise that while thinking is fun, its as pointless as watching soap drama's unless I put it to use. Hail the mighty J function... Its a battle to implement the NT as often the sheer level of ideas from NT, translate from divergence in the mind to divergence in the reality.

[Nido]

I thought your summary below was to the point and a potentially fruitful combination of system dynamics and type theory:

"Just as an INTJs positive feedback loop between the Introversion and Thinking can lead to heightened Intuition, a similar situation can occur with Introversion. An INTJ can become progressively more introverted due to less developed social skills (Left out) and/or simply dismissing the majority of people (Opting out) who are "inconsequential" to the gathering and understanding of "Things".



INTJ Personality Type


I knew that INTJs often gain an edge by a focus on NT methods, e.g. learning how to learn, thinking how to think better, using alone time to encourage intuitive breakthroughs. Seeing such as positive feedback loops and thus invoking the systems model is a better way.

[GOD]

I thought your summary below was to the point and a potentially fruitful combination of system dynamics and type theory:

"Just as an INTJs positive feedback loop between the Introversion and Thinking can lead to heightened Intuition, a similar situation can occur with Introversion. An INTJ can become progressively more introverted due to less developed social skills (Left out) and/or simply dismissing the majority of people (Opting out) who are "inconsequential" to the gathering and understanding of "Things".

I tend to believe that the divergence occurs early on with some/most high end NTs. Because it is so early on, that by the time they reach adulthood they are so far down the path that nobody can really catch up (to think like them). I guess its a bit like discovering destiny early on and racing for it. Whereas plenty of people rest their minds and never truly develop them to their maximimum capability. Just ask most people what they think about during the day, or on the bus etc... you'll see that it is all wasted, or focuses on the "doing activity" before them.

I knew that INTJs often gain an edge by a focus on NT methods, e.g. learning how to learn, thinking how to think better, using alone time to encourage intuitive breakthroughs. Seeing such as positive feedback loops and thus invoking the systems model is a better way.

Definitely that’s what smart INTJs do. Innovation is generally nothing more than obtaining more reward for less effort. Thinking helps to that end, as thinking is free. As I've said, to me, Intuition is just latent thinking (subconscious thinking) which is improved with lots of conscious thinking that peculates down into the subconscious. (Just as how you can reprogram yourself by conscious effort until subconsciously you become it - Just as how you can consciously analyse your own reactions and assess your subconscious).

Interestingly, it would seem (With a sample size of 1 ) that because INTJs are so inner world focused (within the mind) that they develop non standard traits in the sense that many many people generally take their own traits from those around them.

Thinking how to think better is very true. There are definitely ways to enhance your ability to be more innovative. If you keep on seeking feedback from intuitive guesstimates you can improve your intuition (Which if you think of any sports person practising so much that their body automates the perfect swing etc... then you can see how this could apply to thought).