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    Default INTJ Intuition and observation

    From observation and obvious self analysis, most INTJ's that are strong NT's tend to be scientific in their approach to most aspects of life. Logic rational analysis is the answer to most things. Logic is the holy grail of the rational.

    Most people tend not to understand that most INTJ intuition is really based on a huge framework of underlying logic. Ideas, concepts and solutions are based on this even if the INTJ themselves hasn’t clearly analysed identified this. The building of this framework is a lifelong accretive/iterative process, and is most clearly identified with the pattern forming nature of the INTJ observations. If you understand the pattern you can predict the outcome at future points.

    INTJ's I have met (Who are invariably the smartest ones that’s why I enjoy talking to them) all have their own unique application of the scientific mind, anything from doing physics calculations on concepts after school, through to developing concepts that provide intellectual trading programme leverage on investment banking trading floors.

    One INTJ I know well even developed a practical example which could determine whether people could see a simple conceptual pattern without being shown the whole example. This is interesting, because what can seem so obvious to an NT appears to be completely below the radar screen to others... an interesting step into another mind. One thing that does seem explain the NT thought process is that they are impatient and looking to pattern form "basic process" allowing extrapolation and freeing up though for higher order processes... namely conceptualising and peering forward. I will have to show this example on the website psychologytribe.com when I get time so people can try it out on others.

    As mentioned previously, INTJ's are thought to comprise 37% of those in the top 2% of IQ. Given that IQ tests tend to focus on pattern projection then it accounts for a reasonable amount why INTJ’s can be “smart”. However, I also believe it’s due to the configuration of their type. If an INTJ is less in one of the letters it tends to still be a high grade alternative. E.g. ENTJ or ISTJ or INFJ or INTP. As mentioned, if you are a high NT then by implication you could secondly be at worst an ENTJ, ENTP, INTP (All of which score highly in the IQ stakes). Hopefully, you can see it’s not the strength of the INTJ type; it’s more that it doesn't suffer as much if the type is less in any particular "letter".


    And yes, specific types do score a lot lower in the IQ tests. People should be under no pretence that the typing was designed to assign people to suitable jobs and as such by definition, orientates various types/individuals to more cerebral (or less) activities.

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    Default Personality tests - Psychology test questions used to infer Intuition



    In the above mapping the questions asked to infer "Intuition" have been broken down into respective clusters that appear similar and having the same genre’s.

    Remember also, these intuition based questions are expected to be relevant to those typing as having an inclination towards feeling - NFs as well as those typing NTs.

    It should also be noted that questions posed are orientated towards occupational based questioning and not absolutely towards identifying pure Intuitiveness, more towards harnessable Intuitive orientation - That can easily be seen by the receptiveness line of questioning.

    Also, it’s clearly evident that the questioning also revolves around Thinking and to be quite honest the Thinking that is the same as used on the Thinking versus Feeling orientation. As I have always said, Intuition is simply latent thinking at a subconscious level which peculated down there by the process of conscious thought. Obviously there is such a notion of Innate Intuition, however quite possibly conscious thinking is the manifestation of the peculating subconscious Intuition throwing up connections and exceptions to its logical parameter frameworks.

    Interestingly, the INTPs of the world may be adverse to the questions on the Receptiveness scoreline, which may underpin their stubbornness and lack of conformance to being managed. However, it does not mean they are any less Intuitive.

    Likewise if you look at the Thinking paths, it is clear to see that "Feeling" types will use that conscious thought towards people (NF) rather than the NT orientation towards processes.

    In terms of explaining the Thinking categorisation path outlined above, Progressive and Regressive thinking is differences in perspective, whether deconstructive and introspective or progressive and future orientated. As an example, Deconstructive/Introspective is like seeking the prime numbers, the basic building blocks and simple patterns that can be used to construct our logic frameworks. The Progressive/Future Orientated perspective is a logical projection/extrapolation coupled invariably with a feedback loop to ensure congruity with the regressive understanding.

    Quite possibly why the scientific manifestation applies to INTJs so strongly is that INTJs follow scientific process naturally in their own lives and therefore are naturally attuned to using it in the workplace. The systems they devise are highly correlated to their own inbuilt processes.

    INTJ Personality type -> INTJ Personality Type

    Here is what I believe Intuition type questioning should be more about.



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    Default Architecture of the mind - INTJ Variant

    Well, here's my latest "article" on the INTJ Variant type and trying to work out how we think differently. There's actually lots more to say, as visualists its no wonder most of us are Males.

    INTJ Variant Hypothesis

    Here is another article I have now written. Trying to hone in on how we use a different area of our brain more than other less intuitive types.

    Intuitives - Vision Analogies Metaphors & Patterns – VAMP
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    Default Location of thought INTJ, NTs? v The rest

    I haven't really done a whole heap more digging since my above "article" but I have read some more and become increasingly confident that I am on track and peering down the right path.

    Using a brodmann map of the brain I have highlighted the parts in red that I am most interested in. I will then explain the interest in these areas and then at some point show how this differs to other "personality / brain types". Obviously we are talking of the use and the propensity to use. I do however believe there are greater genetic propensities to use certain paths more frequently which could well be due to "ability" and "necessity".




    Medial view



    Here are the regions primarily used by other non intuitive brain types (below). My contention is that INTJs use both areas whereas the non intuitives do not use the whole lower base of the brain circuit to the same degree.



    Medial view



    Work in progress -> Information to be explained why it forms part of the differences in thought and processing patterns.

    Non Intuitives – Dominant area’s

    9 + 46 - DL-PFC is connected to the orbitofrontal cortex, and to a variety of brain areas, which include the thalamus, parts of the basal ganglia (the dorsal caudate nucleus), the hippocampus, and primary and secondary association areas of neocortex, including posterior temporal, parietal, and occipital areas.

    DL-PFC serves as the highest cortical area responsible for motor planning, organization, and regulation. It plays an important role in the integration of sensory and mnemonic information and the regulation of intellectual function and action. It is also involved in working memory. However, DL-PFC is not exclusively responsible for the executive functions. All complex mental activity require the additional cortical and subcortical circuits that DL-PFC is connected with

    10 - This area is believed to play a part in strategic processes involved in memory retrieval and executive function.

    Cognitive branching enables a previously running task to be maintained in a pending state for subsequent retrieval and execution upon completion of the ongoing one. Many of our complex behaviors and mental activities require simultaneous engagement of multiple tasks, and they suggest the anterior prefrontal cortex may perform a domain-general function in these scheduling operations.

    Prefrontal white matter, strongly associated with neotenous acceleration of neural maturation and particularly notable in the BA10 of hominids, shows the largest difference between human and nonhuman mammals. Gray matter shows no significant difference, suggesting accelerated genetic expression and neotenous maturation of BA10 played a key role in human brain evolution.

    INTJ (& likely Intuitives)

    39 - directed a study that showed that the angular gyrus is at least partially responsible for understanding metaphors.

    20 - This region is one of the higher levels of the ventral stream of visual processing, associated with the representation of complex object features, such as global shape. It may also be involved in face perception

    21 - Its exact function is unknown, but it has been connected with processes as different as contemplating distance, recognition of known faces, and accessing word meaning while reading.

    22 - suggests that the area corresponding to the Wernicke’s area on the nondominant cerebral hemisphere has a role in processing subordinate meanings of ambiguous words--such as (‘‘river’’) of given the ambiguous word (‘‘bank’’). This aids the resolution of word meaning ambiguity. In contrast, the Wernicke's area on the dominant hemisphere processes dominant word meanings (‘‘teller’’ given ‘‘bank’’)

    37 - There is still some dispute over the functionalities of this area, but there is relative consensus on the following:
    1. processing of color information
    2. face and body recognition (see Fusiform face area)
    3. word recognition
    4. number recognition [questionable: may only be as a result of a global response of any generic recognition tasks, further statistical evidence needed]
    5. within-category identification

    38


    Joint Vision

    17 – Primary Visual cortex V1

    It is highly specialized for processing information about static and moving objects and is excellent in pattern recognition.

    18 – Secondary Visual cortex V2

    Visual area V2, also called prestriate cortex,[4] is the second major area in the visual cortex, and the first region within the visual association area. It receives strong feedforward connections from V1 and sends strong connections to V3, V4, and V5. It also sends strong feedback connections to V1.

    Recent research has shown that V2 cells show a small amount of attentional modulation (more than V1, less than V4), are tuned for moderately complex patterns, and may be driven by multiple orientations at different subregions within a single receptive field.(Citation needed)

    19 – Associative cortex V3

    Ventral V3 (VP), has much weaker connections from the primary visual area, and stronger connections with the inferior temporal cortex. (Area 20)

    Joint memory

    34 + 28 - These layers receive input from other cortical areas, especially associational, perirhinal, and parahippocampal cortices, as well as prefrontal cortex. EC as a whole, therefore, receives highly-processed input from every sensory modality, as well as input relating to ongoing cognitive processes, though it should be stressed that, within EC, this information remains at least partially segregated.


    35 + 36 - Visual areas TE and TEO send and receive a significant reciprocal connection with perirhinal cotex. Weaker, but still significant, projections come from other parahippocampal regions and from the superior temporal sulcus. Other inputs include anterior cingulate and insular regions, in addition to prefrontal projections.
    The perirhinal cortex is involved in both visual perception and memory; it facilitates the recognition and identification of environmental stimuli. Lesions to the perirhinal cortex in both monkeys and rats lead to the impairment of visual recognition memory, disrupting stimulus-stimulus associations and object-recognition abilities. The perirhinal cortex’s role in the formation and retrieval of stimulus-stimulus associations (and in virtue of its unique anatomical position in the medial temporal lobe) suggest that it is part of a larger semantic system that is crucial for endowing objects with meaning. Non Intuitives – Dominant area’s

    9 + 46 - DL-PFC is connected to the orbitofrontal cortex, and to a variety of brain areas, which include the thalamus, parts of the basal ganglia (the dorsal caudate nucleus), the hippocampus, and primary and secondary association areas of neocortex, including posterior temporal, parietal, and occipital areas.

    DL-PFC serves as the highest cortical area responsible for motor planning, organization, and regulation. It plays an important role in the integration of sensory and mnemonic information and the regulation of intellectual function and action. It is also involved in working memory. However, DL-PFC is not exclusively responsible for the executive functions. All complex mental activity require the additional cortical and subcortical circuits that DL-PFC is connected with

    10 - This area is believed to play a part in strategic processes involved in memory retrieval and executive function.

    Cognitive branching enables a previously running task to be maintained in a pending state for subsequent retrieval and execution upon completion of the ongoing one. Many of our complex behaviors and mental activities require simultaneous engagement of multiple tasks, and they suggest the anterior prefrontal cortex may perform a domain-general function in these scheduling operations.

    Prefrontal white matter, strongly associated with neotenous acceleration of neural maturation and particularly notable in the BA10 of hominids, shows the largest difference between human and nonhuman mammals. Gray matter shows no significant difference, suggesting accelerated genetic expression and neotenous maturation of BA10 played a key role in human brain evolution.
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    On the subject of virtual reality (VR)

    From the website CyberStage 2.1: Post Symbolism

    Two areas of the brain, the most recent to evolve, which may be adversely affected or neglected by VR-simulated consciousness are the areas mapped and named by Brodmann Areas 39 and 40.

    Area 39 is a neurological hub wherein one human sense is translated into another, into what are called sensory cross-modalities or synaesthetic precepts. Common comprehension of the world is filled with an infinity of such analogical arrangements; in fact, the world wouldn't be comprehensible without them. The fact that VR technology may be able to "grow eyes on the ends of our fingertips" and that cognitive engineers are attempting currently to do just that could cause Area 39 much "simulation sickness." Our own bodies are already doing as much and more; we already have eyes on the ends of our fingertips.

    In direct, instant and parallel collaboration with Area 39 is Brodmann's Area 40, perhaps the seat of humanity's greatest inventions: Tools, Languages and Abstract Symbols (writing and numbers). It could be said to be the seat of the symbolic, because the pure symbolic would not be possible without it. Our mind/brain/body holistically contributes to a recreation of an abstract sense of reality. We are already virtual reality engines of a quite unprecedented order and design. Lanier's VR is nothing more or less than a delightfully dangerous toy theatre for further abstraction.

    Area 40 helps to determine symbolic analogies for the sensory analogies of Area 39. It is the area which counts names out from what is no longer sensory chaos and sensory catastrophe. Both areas contrive with the other higher cortical faculties (which include, by extension, the general, external community) to create an absolute sensibility for context, meaning and government. But what will context, meaning and government be if the higher cortical faculties are decorticulated or dissociated? What will the resultant "experience" or psychological and sociological impact be? Will we, in fact, want to communicate such "experience?"
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    An interesting phenomenon of frontal lobe damage is the insignificant effect it can have on traditional IQ testing. Researchers believe that this may have to do with IQ tests typically assessing convergent rather than divergent thinking. Frontal lobe damage seems to have an impact on divergent thinking, or flexibility and problem solving ability. There is also evidence showing lingering interference with attention and memory even after good recovery from a TBI (Stuss et al., 1985).


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    1. Impaired Divergent Thinking
    2. Decreased consideration of alternative strategies/behaviors; reduced flexibility
    3. Decreased spontaneity, initiative, may appear lazy, unmotivated
    4. Knowledge/intelligence may seem intact (e.g. IQ) but its not used to generate strategies or solve problems efficiently
    Impaired Associative Learning
    1. Reduced response to consequences
    2. Impaired on delayed response tasks
    3. Impaired responsiveness to social & contextual cues
    Lots of great info on this website page -> cortical

    Incl the below para, however when you see that in context of the para subsequent it might start you thinking about other possibilities of the mind

    In the frontal lobes we see the home of our humanism, as these lobes are not seen in lower animals. The LEFT frontal hemishere can be characterized as a home of POSITIVE THOUGHT. The RIGHT frontal hemisphere can be characterized as the home of NEGATIVE THOUGHT.

    Then consider this (callosotomy, parting of the two hemisphere's normally via medical intervention).

    The most dramatic outcome of callosotomy, however, is the alien hand sign. In one case history, the clinician writes: "...she would be putting on clothes with her right hand and pulling them off with her left, opening a door or a drawer with her right hand and simultaneously pushing it shut with the left." Another clinician describes cases wherein the patient's "left hand would not allow him to smoke and would pluck lit cigarettes from his mouth, whereas another patient's left hand (right brain) preferred different foods and even different television shows and would interfere with the choices made by the right hand (left hemisphere)". Evidence indicates that the corpus callosum not only functions for the exchange of information between hemispheres, but for one hemisphere to assert dominance over the other hemisphere.
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